I don't think I really need to say too much about this one. Everyone knows by now the argument for and against it.
Opening it up for ongoing discussion below. If you were one of the ones who advocated for this change, have at it and make your points.
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I'll bite first.
ReplyDeleteI think 3 moves per week is perfectly fine.
I would be in favor of adding an extra 5 moves per season, though. A bunch of us ran out by year's end, and we didn't compensate the 50 per year when we made the change from 2 to 3 moves per week
Agree completely with Z, like the 3 moves per week but I found myself really towing the line at who I could/couldn't pick up at the end of the year based on me fast approaching the max moves early. I would even go as far as maybe adding a little more, say 8-10. But, in theory, I think max moves should increase because several managers towed the line and I don't see stiffing increasing because of this since it wasn't a major problem last year.
ReplyDeleteI am in favor of leaving it at 3 moves per week.
ReplyDeleteAs to adding to the seasonal total, I am leaning (although not solid in my conviction) towards leaving it be. I like the strategic aspect of pacing yourself and making the decision to drop/add one that should be thought through with the limitation on moves (or in reverse - having a slight reward for stronger draft where less moves were needed). Again, a lean not a strong conviction on that one.
- JACK
I am in agreement with Jack.
ReplyDeleteLeave it at 3 per week, and I am against the raising of the total moves for season.
I think many managers reached the total limit for the season because of stiffs used every week. By leaving it at the number we have now, it leaves each manager with a tougher decision. Make those stiffs every week, esp early in the year, or trust your sunday team and balance out your moves to benefit you later in the season.
So I say leave them at what we had last year.
It's not really all stiffs though. Adding guys can be hit or miss. We all know how shallow the free agent pool can be, so we all end up taking risks on guys that could end up playing well or who are hot at the time, but in the end don't pan out. As the season goes on, moves end up piling up. If you look at the league last year, 8 of the 12 managers had 40+ moves, and only 1 manager had less than 25, so we all make a bunch of moves. That's what happens when there are 12 managers and not a strong free agent pool. I am not looking for a huge jump, I'm definitely willing to negotiate down from 8 to 10, I'd be ok with 3-5. But I think with 3 moves per week and 22 weeks in the year (plus 3-5 weeks for playoffs), 45 max moves is a bit low. If we all made the playoffs or last til finals week, 90% of the league would have maxed out, just something to think about.
ReplyDeleteAgree with Bob here. I think a +5 bump is reasonable. With 25 weeks (including playoffs), three per week averages to 75, so the 50 is still forcing strategy and thought into it.
DeleteJust noticed that there was a typo in the original article, there are currently 45 max moves with 3 moves per week
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DeleteCorrect on the math that 3 a week for 25 weeks is 75...but honestly if you have to make 3 a week then you drafted poorly or are stiffing reguarly. Either way, neither of those should be rewarded.
ReplyDeleteI couldn't disagree with this more. And the 45 or 50 limit prevents you from doing three per week anyway.
ReplyDeleteBut back to the original point. You used 40 last year (five below the limit and four below what I used). Did you draft poorly or stiff regularly? No and no. Moves pile up just because they do, that's the nature of the beast.
You could have had an amazing draft, yet you'd still have at least 1 cuttable guy who you could stiff if you wanted to. Even if the moves limit was 30.
When you are in the bottom of the pack, as I was last year, you often have to use moves more regularly to try and find sleeper sparks. Injuries, and bad luck can lead to a loss, and teams have to adjust and not stand pat. Plus, we all know trading is not the easiest thing to do here, so it's not as simple as just making a trade to try and find a spark.
I strongly disagree that using 40-50 moves indicates bad drafting or regularly stiffing, and my season last year makes me feel that way. I do not think I had a bad draft at all (ranked myself high preseason) and I can't recall stiffing more than a few times, at most. Yet, I still found myself at the limit. And toward the end of the year, I had to be careful about my pickups because I was near that moves limit. So making a lot of moves early to try and fix my team cost me in the end; it goes hand and hand.
Agree with Jack once again.
ReplyDeleteEven if you break it down to 2 a week for 25 weeks, we hit the "proposed" 50 max limit...I double checked, my math is correct...But even 2 a week seems like a lot of moves.
I think 45 is a very fair number.
Agree with Andy here again. He basically hit all the points. I won the league 2 out of 3 years and every year I am close to the top in moves, does this mean I had a poor draft? Guys get injured a lot in baseball, this is why we added the 2nd DL spot. Why shouldn't we adjust the moves too? We aren't asking for the world here, I really think 5 additional moves is reasonable and it won't invite more stiffing since it's only 5. But 5 would go a long way in helping field a competitive team every week. Honestly, if you look at moves used, most of the teams with less moves are towards the bottom of the standings, I really don't get the bad draft argument. If anything, it means you are an attentive manager who is willing to do what it takes to win. And don't take that as a knock Jack, because you are usually close to the limit as well, year in and year out and you always field a competitive team.
ReplyDeleteWhile reading through each comment is seems that three moves a week is the consensus. I would favor a small increase in moves, five seems about right. As long as we all have the same amount of moves I don't see the objection. A rule such as this is simply trail and error. As many managers we up against the limit last year it makes sense to raise it slightly.
ReplyDeleteI'll assume that there isn't a way to separate moves during the regular season and post season. A manager has a hugh advantage in the playoffs by having more moves. I understand one could argue that this is earned; however, am attentive manger who executed good pick-ups and deals with injuries who uses most of his pick-ups trying to make the playoffs shouldn't be penalized so heavily.
My vote is to keep the 3 moves per week as it, but to add to the max moves. I think adding 5 is reasonable to the point that it definitely still forces managers to be strategic. If our max upped to 50, that still will only allow for an average of 2+ moves per week with up to 3 extra weeks to take into account in the playoffs.
ReplyDeleteTaking my team as an example: I thought I had a really nice draft after all was said and done. As it turned out, I had a couple really big duds in my lineup that I had to eventually dump. This left me with a few roster spots that I had to toy with on a weekly basis just to have a shot at the playoffs, which I almost made. I don't view this as less strategic then a manager whose team was great post draft and was trying to manage their moves for the playoffs. Five extra moves would have helped me, or someone in a similar situation a lot.
I think adding 5 moves is a nice balance between allowing more room for strategic add/drops and not promoting stiffing.
Short and sweet-Definitely only 3 moves a week. Season total doesn't really matter to me if it increases by 5 or remains the same.
ReplyDeleteKen/Hal, are either of you in favor of a fee increase?
ReplyDeleteshorter and sweeter. keep it at 3/week and increase +5 for the year. cool!
ReplyDeleteI vote for keeping it at 3 moves/week. Also, I don't think only 5 additional moves will change the dynamic at all so I could support either 45 or 50 total moves allowed.
ReplyDelete-Rick
I don't think moves per week should be limited...but am late to this conversation. If you have the max amount per year I don't see why moves per week need to be limited. If you're a manager that uses up all your moves then that's your fault. However, 2 injures and a pickup means you're done for the week.
ReplyDeleteI've always been adamant against this if a max moves per year is in place...but I'm sure I'm going to get outvoted...oh well.
3 moves per week. 5 more moves total. nuff said
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